Friends are important! Yeah, apparently its not going to happen. And where does whats legally expedient for our organization? Senior pastors dont need advocates. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. And its not something you can control like traditional mainstream media. I learned that from Bill. Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. And so when these things happen, they cant just stay silent. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. That is a very fair question. Because they, I mean, they had a massive PR machine they had, they hired Mark DeMoss, his firm to come in and try to resolve things from a PR standpoint. Literally thousands of people have come to know Jesus under Bill Hybels teaching and yet, he was morally bankrupt at the same time. I appreciate you so much and look forward to visiting with you again soon. Im still waiting for the apology for the public apology for giving. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? So, thanks for taking the time and you know, anybody whos willing to take a few minutes out of their vacation for a podcast, I just really appreciate it. Please know you are not alone. This is what manifests. But if you have a pastor with a glaring character flaw youre fooling yourself if you think youre gonna keep that character flaw in line with a pastor who doesnt put Jesus Christ first in his life, am I right? Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. The ministry began in 1971 while Stuart served as senior pastor of Elmbrook Church in Brookfield, Wisconsin, which grew into the largest evangelical church in the state. Can you imagine how many books that sold her? After a failed attempt to travel alone in his truck out west, he came to church with us that very day. And thats not what this is about. At the end of the day the aftermath of destruction is felt on so many levels by so many people and we all react differently in our humanness. Who hasnt given a friend a friendly kiss once in awhile? You have to have a strong culture of accountability. 1 talking about this. But it really had the tone has to be set by leadership for a culture of goodness. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. We bought the routine and its shocking. So thank you. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. Great question. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Pete has offered to And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. What I saw happen at Willow is, the board as a unit was willing to dissemble in the amount necessary to preserve the organization. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. These are people that are in your country club. Let me give you some examples. Yeah, I just saw you ran a story on MacDonalds massive mansion in Illinois being held in the name of Vanilla Bean LLC. At the same time, hes writing a book and writing articles for Christianity Today about marriage purity. Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. So since youve seen a lot of this kind of up close and personal through talking to witnesses and elders and staff people, how bad was the abuse at Willow Creek? Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? I came out of Wheaton College, as I know a lot of kids do when youre in a Christian environment and maybe see some disillusioning things and I just, it was really a hard spiritual time for me. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! And another womans situation, theyre in an elder board meeting, and Bill Hybels, you know, has his hand on a womans leg, and no one else can see. This is just the way things are in Corinth. I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. I was blown away. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. I hope you have a great day and God bless. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. So to some extent, we all have a measure of hypocrisy. It involves a level of compartmentalization that is truly stunning. The thief knows how to how to get through that lock, right? (See page 54 and following) I think they can do it effectively. I was blown away. May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! I will let you know as soon as I figure it all out. Everything started to make sense. And its pervasive, and people are, theyre using it. I dont agree with a lot of his views, but he said something and it is true, we need to have, you know, church leader needs to have two voices, one for gathering the sheep and one for scaring away wolves. And I really was hopeful that there was going to be a public apology, and yet, None. And this is a huge problem in the Evangelical Church in the southern baptist church, I mean, just absolutely massive problem where so often the predators covered up instead of brought to justice. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Great! What is it was Chicago? Theyre involved in their own issue right now. It was like trying to fit a battleship through a set of French doors. In the late 1990s, Telling the Truth was blessed with opportunities to expand the broadcasts overseas with a newly formed Christian radio station in London, Premier Christian Radio, which today remains the only Christian station across the entire United Kingdom, with 1.2 million weekly listeners. They need accountability. Yes, I would view it far differently today. Youre its just not its not a matter of if its a matter of when. And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. What Ive told people is, If you are not ready to blow yourself or the organization up in five seconds flat, you need to find a different hobby.. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. This was something that was very deeply ingrained in their culture. So Scot, its like the scene in The Avengers when Iron Man just kind of drops out of the sky. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. Yeah, right. Im so glad that theyre godly men like you serving. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. But what happens when there is a sheep within the flock who needs to be defended? I know about the deleted emails. Later Telling the Truth began airing in several countries in southeast Asia and across 10 countries in southern Africa. That was my upbringing. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Bent Tree family and friends of Bent Tree, we invite you to post here (or on social media) your comments of encouragement, gratitude, blessing, remembrance, and tribute to the many long years our brother Pete and sister Libby have poured out their lives for the building up of Christs church. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. Because I often wonder what would have happened if he had come back and you know, not been well are not been really able to do his job but said, You know what, Ive got to do this. This is the you know, erither, I need the job, or, This ministry completes me. or whatever, whatever the excuse is. So I was really struggling with my faith. I appreciate your feedback. I think he lost it. But then its my understanding too, that when these women met with the elders, the level of bullying and abuse that they were subjected to, was such that I know Vonda told me there were elders in tears at the end of this, of how pervasive the abuse was, I dont know how specific you can be but can you give people an idea of, of what actually happened to these women that were abused? If anything has a whiff of impropriety, we would jump on it immediately. Theres another circumstance that I became aware of where The board had a 360 Review done on Hybels and his leadership and some problems they were experiencing with his management style from, you know, bullying, abusive style. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. Was there any evidence found that he actually had an affair? I John and Nancy Ortberg had been at Willow Creek as pastors. I just, Im amazed that they were in such geographic proximity to one another dealing with almost the exact same problem. I know the owners Dan and Kurt Marquart personally, and I can say without reservation that they truly run their business with honesty, integrity and transparency. They wont produce any vanilla beans. I was just following following lawyers advice. So its okay. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is I mean, you dont need to be trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, because it is gonna manifest itself in bad ways. So you can go to Amazon and enter in Boz Tchividjian and his book will pop up but you need to know what youre looking for because people who are sexual predators, they have an acuity for blending into society in ways that they dont stand out like this is not like, you know, the sexual predator in your church is not some, you know, grease ball sitting outside your kids ministry just kind of looking for a way to get at, like, thats our common image of what a sexual predator is. 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